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Hi Sarah, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here.
Oh, thank you so much for having me. It’s an honor to be here.
Thank you. Before we begin, could you share one beautiful childhood memory with us?
Oh, a beautiful childhood memory. Oh, boy, I have so many, definitely. I mean, my mother and father, I was so close to them. One childhood memory that pops into mind was. It just popped into my head when my father would come home. He was an art professor, so we were lucky enough to have him home a lot, because he had a really good schedule: right school, vacations off, holidays off, and all that. And he would come home and he would lay on the ground, and he would be really, really still, and then we kind of walk around him, and then he, like, grab our toes, and then he tickle then he let us go, and then we circle him again, and he’s grab us, and he tickles and tickles and tickle us.
And there’s just so many things that fled my mind when I’ve never been asked that question on a podcast before, and I just had a flood of my childhood, and I’m so blessed for it, because I had such amazing parents. They are the people who shaped my childhood, and they shaped me.
What do you think are some of the things that you got from them?
You’re gonna make me cry in like, the first five minutes of the podcast. something I learned from them. Whoo, that’s a big one. I think I learned compassion and love growing up. They had so much love for my sister and me that it just kind of oozed. We didn’t grow up with a whole lot, but we grew up with so much love. Love was the currency, and the home was a very safe place. There was just such unconditional love, and it was a safe, safe place. And they taught me compassion and empathy. They also taught me to work hard. Like, “Okay, if you want that, honey, you work for that.”
My own health journey and my parents’ battles with cancer changed me forever. It’s why I dig deeper for answers for my clients.
You know, at age 11, I opened my own bank account. I was working down the street at a daycare because I wanted to. I had a vision of something I wanted. And they’re like, “Okay, honey, if you want that, you save up for it”. Took me about a year, but I grew that mentality very young. I went and opened a Wells Fargo bank account at the age of 11, I remember putting my my coins up on the counter, saying, “I want to open a bank account” and they taught me at the at that base of being honest and being real and being just authentic with who I am, I learned that safety of just like you’re a good person, Sarah. I learned that from them.
It’s so interesting, because I was literally just having this conversation in my mind with them last night before I went to bed, like “Thank you. You shaped me.” And there are so many layers under that, but a lot of it is humility and love and empathy and care for others because my parents had such pure hearts themselves.
I learned unconditional love from them. And then, in the end, it’s all about unconditional love, and I was their primary caretaker for both of them before they passed on. They both passed from cancer, and that’s what brought me here in our conversation, before my mama brought me here. While I was visiting, she was diagnosed with stage four cancer, and so I ended up being one of our primary caretakers, along with my stepfather, for about three years.
And for my father, he passed about 13 years ago, and excuse me, gosh, time has flown. Yeah, 12 and a half years ago, and I was his primary caretaker for about two and a half years. In the end, he passed away from colon cancer, and it was the greatest honor of my life to be their primary caretaker at the end, because it’s all about love.
That is so beautiful. Sarah, it takes people a very long time to understand that, and even when we get that, we tend to forget. So thank you for that beautiful reminder, and thank you for being this bright light and helping them. I’m sure they’re there with you, loving you, hugging you, talking to you, and guiding you. So yeah, thank you for sharing this beautiful thing. And how, how did your mom’s condition make you, put you on that path of helping people?
Well, you know what’s interesting is that my parents, if it weren’t for my parents, I probably wouldn’t, I’m gonna cry. I probably wouldn’t be here today, because they’re the ones who got me through a real rough battle with Lyme disease, which then led to some medical procedures during that time, when no one knew it was Lyme disease. It went very wrong, and I ended up with severe chemical and electrosensitivity on top of Lyme disease. My parents never doubted me. They never questioned me. They just said, “Honey, you’re going to get through this, and one day you’re going to look back.”
This was a long haul, right? This was like, from 25 to 40, right? And they’re like, “You’re going to get through this, honey. And then one day you’re going to look back, and you’re going to see the path and why it made sense.” And they never doubted. They supported me, and they provided a haven for me and a heart for me, amidst a lot of unknowns and amidst a tremendous amount of physical, emotional and psychological pain.
If anyone’s ever been through Lyme disease or severe mercury poisoning and chemical and electrosensitivity, where you can’t live in the world anymore because it’s damaged your immune system so bad, and it’s like parents who just said, “We do whatever it takes, honey, that’s what family does, right?” And then my stepfather is in that, too.
My parents got divorced when I was 21, you know. They remained friends and loved each other, and my mom met a lovely man who became another parent to me. They were together for like 32 years, and he was another pillar that was very supportive, never judged, and they helped me get through it, but something about my mother’s case that’s ringing true. Both my parents’ experiences with helping them through cancer were profound shifts that changed me forever.
But my mom’s rang true, really recently with a new case that came in, and it was because she had breast cancer, and all along she’d had mammograms, and it never, it never picked up because she had dense breasts that never picked up the cancer. And then she also never knew that the doctors had just left her on hormone therapy from the time she was 42 until the time she was 84, do the math, that’s like, that was half of her life.
Before you get on hormone therapy, you have to ask: what bucket is your body putting estrogen into, and how is it metabolizing it? Share on XAnd this is not a comment about HRT at all. This is a comment about a time and place for it in a woman’s life, but it was never revisited. No one ever checked her hormone metabolism. And so I practice like before you get on HRT. Holy freaking Moly, let’s check your hormone, mentality, and metabolism to make sure we know which buckets you are putting your metabolized hormones into and how you’re processing your estrogens. How is your body able to get it out right? And no one, no one ever did that with my mom. No one ever looked to see how she is metabolizing it?
None of us had any of the markers, genetic markers for breast cancer, right? But for her, based on what I know about my metabolism now, it’s like her metabolism and some of her predispositions were probably not so fabulous for getting it out of her body effectively, so it could not stay in and become problematic in the tissues, right? And so that’s something. One thing. There are so many things in both my parents’ cases of cancer, which are both very prevalent cancers, colon and breast cancer, how they affected me in my approach to working with clients.
And so that’s just something that I get really fired up about, because now everyone’s getting on HRT, and I’m like, “Do you know the bucket? What bucket are you putting your estrogen in? How is your body metabolizing your estrogen? Is it a safer estrogen, or is it more reactive against tissues?”
How do people even check that? I didn’t know. You can check for hormones in the body.
Yeah, hormone metabolism tests. I run a test, an advanced hormone metabolism test in my practice, yeah, we can look and see, is it going into two? We call it two hydroxyestrogen, or 4 or 16, which are the more potent and toxic, right? And some people just have genetic susceptibility to go right into four and 16, right? And so then there are things we can do, or they may have poor methylation or poor glucuronidation, or they may just have dysbiosis.
This is why I do, like, a full work. I did a full investigation on my clients, and just got one the other day, who’s got really, really high beta-glucuronidase. And that’s an enzyme that cleaves the bound estrogen that’s about to leave the body. But someone with high beta-glucuronidase, because of high gut dysbiosis, is cleaving bound estrogen that says, “Okay, we’re ready to leave the body and not be a problem.” Then beta-glucuronidase says, “snip, no, you’re gonna stay in, and you’re just gonna keep circulating, right?” And then you’re dealing with someone’s ability to metabolize it and eliminate it, or its reactivity toward tissues.
So that’s something that just happened the other day, and I got really emotional about it, because I’m like, no one had looked at this woman who had uterine and breast cancer a few years ago, and no one looked at it under the doctor’s notice. They knew she had high beta-glucuronidase, but then no one went any further down the road to say, “Okay, how do we help support this?” So this is not problematic to someone susceptible to estrogen-driven breast cancers, right? So there’s this deeper dig I do in practice.
Most people come to me feeling fat, bloated, achy, and tired. Underneath that is where the real detective work begins.
But yes, my parents’ cases are the first beginning with my own personal experience of the long 20-year haul I went through recovering from Lyme disease, and this fear of environmental illness triggered by a Mercury chelation that went very wrong, on top of having Lyme disease and then both my parents’ experiences with cancer, right? And so it’s been a personal experience that has lent to Yes, my academic studies and my credentials, right? But I have a lot of life experience that taught me the personal history of driving in and digging for answers, not just answers, but then a path to actually help right. What kind of problems do people come to you with?
A lot of people like overarching. They’re feeling fat, bloated, achy and tired. So underneath that is where I do my detective work. And underneath that is a lot of burnout, which is a lot of hypothalamic pituitary adrenal dysfunction, meaning that part of our brain can’t coordinate, because it’s been so over-driven with stress or lack of sleep, and it can’t coordinate the adrenal glands to efficiently produce their cortisol to help us get up and go. Or there may be a depletion of cortisol, because there’s been such a surge of it through life, get up and go when they’re pooped out, or they’re dealing with chronic hypoglycemia, or they’re dealing with chronic inflammatory conditions, which also require cortisol, right?
So, it seems like it all goes back to stress.
I mean, it’s a loop. Someone could get a chronic infection that makes them more susceptible to stress. They don’t have the bandwidth. There’s no way, right? Say someone has a chronic toxicity, they’re not going to have the bandwidth. They’re going to have a lesson bucket of bandwidth, right? Because that bucket is being consumed by fighting the chronic infection, by trying to subdue the inflammation it causes, and by replenishing nutrients and cofactors depleted by that infection.
So that’s just someone with the chronic infection, which runs rapidly throughout the world of gut infections, right? For example, the most common gut infection is H. pylori. Just as a real simple example, H Pylori, like the majority of people that I look for, that I that I bring in as VIP clients that we do the deep data dig on, the majority of them have H. Pylori, and nobody knows it, but they might have some excess burping, or they might have, you know, some reflux, or maybe chronic bloating after they eat or in between meals, right?
And then what happens is that, with H. Pylori, there’s a suppression of hydrochloric acid. And then there goes your firewall to allow in your stomach, to allow more bugs to come in and set up camp and say, “Hey, looks friendly in here. There’s no hydrochloric acid to like, there’s no firewall. We can just come on in.” And then it turns off your own production of hydrochloric acid, and your own ability to absorb iron, and your ability to absorb B12 and to ionize your minerals. So then this depletion happens behind the scenes.
And then someone’s like, “Oh, I’m blowing it all the time.” And then their food’s not getting adequately broken down because there’s not adequate hydrochloric acid. And then those undigested food fragments now become antigens, meaning enemies for the immune system. And then the leaky gut becomes evident and porous. And then those fragments of unbroken down food particles now make their way to where the immune system is trying to protect you.
It says, “Ah, okay, we have to tag you now and say you are an enemy. And then someone has these crazy food sensitivities,” and is like, “I didn’t used to be sensitive two years ago. What’s wrong with me now?” Right? I’m bloated or get puffy, or have, you know, breakouts, runny noses, headaches, and achiness. See what I mean. Let’s see the cascade of just one simple little gut bug, of that,
When the gut lining becomes porous, your immune system starts tagging everyday foods as enemies.
Yes. I mean, it feels like most of us are bloated, most of us have some problem, and most of us are not even aware of it, because, I mean, we’re sometimes not connected to our body, or are ignoring the signals, and okay, this is the way I am right now. Let’s just keep going. So when does one need to, like, stop and say, like, “hey, I need to go get checked. Something is going on.” What are the symptoms of that? For example?
Well, they just feel chronically bloated after they eat. They’re like, “Oh my god, I look four months pregnant after I eat,” right? And they’re like, “But I’m not pregnant,” and it starts to affect what they can wear. It starts to affect their confidence. I work with many people in leadership positions. They’re like, “I don’t even feel comfortable standing in front of a conference room anymore,” you know. Or they don’t feel comfortable with their partner, or they don’t feel comfortable dating, or they don’t feel comfortable in intimacy. See, not only that, when that bloating happens in the gut, when the gut is immediately inflamed, the brain is also inflamed, so it never exists on its own. It typically also accompanies some level of fatigue and depression or anxiety, right?
And here comes that stress loop, okay? Because when the brain’s inflamed, that’s when your neurotransmitters, and all your happy neurotransmitters, or get up and go neurotransmitters like, you know, serotonin and dopamine and focus and pleasure neurotransmitters, they get slowed down because an inflamed brain, because of an inflamed gut, it doesn’t work as efficiently.
They’re not able to execute on projects as much because they’re exhausted from waking up in the morning, let alone making it through their day. And typically have that like 2 to 4 pm, like, I want to just curl up and take a nap, or I need coffee, right? Those are the coffee hours, right? People are like, “Oh, gotta get coffee because their gas tank is running empty.”
Is bloating the only symptom? Or what are the other symptoms? Maybe someone doesn’t have bloating, but they have something else.
They might have. Maybe they have constipation or diarrhea, right? No one likes to talk about bowel movements. But it’s real, they might have constipation. Do you have three healthy bowel movements a day? That’s normal. Once a day, not entirely normal. Once every other day, absolutely not normal. Once every few days. That’s your route out for toxins and excess cholesterol and hormones and all the things we’re exposed to in the environment, right? So, it could be digestive distress, problems in the bathroom, they call it, right? It could be reflux, like, “Oh, I feel like, you know, but my doctor says I have high hydrochloric acid, so I need to go get on a PPI, right?” A Pepcid, something that blocks hydrochloric acid.
No, most often it’s actually because of low hydrochloric acid. What’s happening there? Then it makes the lower esophageal sphincter. It’s like a barn door at the end of the esophagus that gets lax and lazy because it doesn’t have the tonification of the hydrochloric acid keeping it closed into the stomach. So then they eat, and then what little hydrochloric acid they are producing makes its way up the esophagus, and therein lies heartburn.
Heartburn is not a direct indication, like, “oh, I need to go, take a TUMS.” No, “I need to go take a Pepcid.” No, I’m not giving medical advice. I’m saying that. I’m saying deeper digging is needed before you get on something like that. Because once you go on one of those, you know, let’s just call it a PPI or an anti-acid medication, or even over the counter, like a Tums for that feeling of too much acid. See if you have something like H. Pylori that’s actually turning your acid production off, and then that lower esophageal sphincter is getting lazy, and then the acids are making their way up, right? So those are some things, and tired fatigue, because, again, you’re not able to ionize your minerals. You’re not able to absorb B12 or iron effectively, that’s big,
How do we know if it’s mental and not physical, or what is the connection between the mental and the physical?
They’re intertwined like this, and such a huge oversight is that it’s never just mental; you have to look at what’s impacting the brain and, most importantly, what is impacting brain inflammation. This is so important because they hand out antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications like they are candy.
Oh, well, you know there’s medication for that. Well, there’s also deeper digging for it. But here’s the problem: in a 15-minute consult with the doctor, they simply don’t have time, nor do they have the toolbox or the hand-holding time to do that deeper dig with a patient to understand, “Okay, why?” Why are you depressed or having anxiety? Why are you stressed?
Right? That deeper dig into the gut. That’s why gut health is such a cornerstone of my practice. The deeper we dig into the gut, the more it changes lives, changes brains, because the gut is intimately intertwined.
Yeah. Can you share a story of a client who showed up in your office, and what their transformation was?
Sometimes transformation begins with something as simple as looking up and noticing another human being who needs help.
Oh, sure. Oh gosh. Let me think. Let me share an extreme one that kind of comes to mind. I mean, there are so many. Let me think of one. She had lost everything. She’d been a chiropractor, and she couldn’t work because she had lost like 80% of her memory, and she was in severe depression. This is the power of looking up and having a conversation. I met her in the supplement department of Whole Foods.
Wow.
And she was standing there, completely bewildered, looking at the probiotics. And I said, “You look like you have a question,” because I can tell when people are overwhelmed. It’s just something I pick up on, right?
I wish you were there every time I went to Whole Foods, like every time you go, you stand in front of those shelves, you’re like, it’s probably good for me. I’m gonna get a croissant. Bye. I’m overwhelmed.
Yes, this is how many conversations have begun: by looking up and just paying attention to people you know. And she said, “I don’t know what to do.” She’s like, there are so many, and I’m like, “Maybe that’s not what. ” Here’s the thing, probiotics aren’t for everybody. Let’s say you know of upper GI bacteria that is the wrong thing for you, or you’ve got histamine sensitivity or mast cell activation, that is another answer for you.
This is news for me, because it’s everybody that I talk to, like, almost everybody, like, yeah, probiotics, it’s amazing. Take it. And also prebiotics. There are the prebiotics and the probiotics.
You gotta know what’s going on. You’ve got to know what’s going on. And this is why the product I was telling you about, which I helped formulate, is going to be released soon, within the next month. It’s a non-histamine producer, right? It has very few strains, but they are potent, patent-cutting-edge strains that have never been seen in the United States before, nor in most of the world.
A leaky gut isn’t just about a weak immune system. It can actually overactivate the immune system and open the door to autoimmunity.
But anyway, back to what we’re talking about. The woman in Whole Foods. Turns out she had had a surgery, right? And they’d put her on antibiotics in the hospital. She was a successful chiropractor. Well, after that surgery, she couldn’t think anymore. She couldn’t be patient. She had worked for like six months, and she’s like, “I don’t know what happened.” So, anyway, we were able to dig deeper into her and repair her gut. She got 80%, she got her memory back, and became a chiropractor again. And this is someone who was just lost, and I found her in the world of supplements at Whole Foods.
But what happened in the surgery? What can happen during the surgery that can cause something like that?
It’s what happened after the surgery. She was given really high doses of IV antibiotics that killed off her microbiome.
Oh, okay, okay.
And so, that then ensued a tremendous amount of inflammation, also, on top of that, her inability to really metabolize and process the anesthesia that she’d been given. So it was like a one-two punch, and then after that, it was like a flood. Of an inability to break down food, leaky gut, her chronic inflammation of the brain, to the point, again, when someone’s guts are inflamed, their brain is going to be massively inflamed, and this can lead to memory problems, and ensuing anxiety and depression.
Wow, that’s crazy.
It’s happening in the world, not just the United States, memory loss, anxiety and depression. Okay, so this woman, had I not found her in the Whole Foods Whole Body department? I don’t know what would have happened. I can’t say, but I know that that was a turning point for her, because we got in, we did the work right, and she was like, “Oh my god, I can think a bit again. I can get my life back.” And that’s what happens with so many people. She wasn’t a chronic weight issue, but, like a lot of my clients are, but she was, she had this chronic bloating. Why am I looking four months pregnant, like 20 minutes after I eat for like two hours? And she had extraordinary fatigue, depression, and anxiety.
Yeah, so you explained that a leaky gut is basically something that goes through the barrier of the stomach into the bloodstream, which lowers your immune system.
Not just lower your immune system, it can also over-activate your immune system, be a doorway for autoimmunity, like the web is so big, what happens here? But your immune system, your gut lining, should be like a tight brick wall, right? And then what happens with the leaky gut? It becomes porous, right? And then particles that should not be making their way across this delicate barrier between your gut and your bloodstream, basically where your immune system is, become porous. Microbes, undigested food particles make their way across there, and then the immune system says, “Hey, you’re an enemy. I need to tag you”, so that the body attacks you. And that’s where you people start getting sensitive to foods, and that’s also where autoimmunity can ensue, because that’s where the immune system becomes overactivated,
How do you heal it? What’s good for a leaky gut?
Yeah, well, that’s a process, right? It’s not one supplement; it’s a process. Again, we need to see what’s inflaming your gut. Are they bugs that don’t belong in your belly? Is it low hydrochloric acid that’s compromising you? Do you have a depletion of glutathione, which is your body’s master antioxidant that always precedes gut issues? Basically, what’s aggravating your gut lining? Are you attacking your own gut lining? Right?
When the gut barrier opens, food particles and microbes can enter the bloodstream and trigger inflammation.
Unknowingly, high stress cortisol will degrade the delicate lining of the small intestine, right? Different chemicals and toxins we’re exposed to. Consuming gluten causes a leaky gut. It produces something called Zonulin. Regardless of whether you have celiac or gluten sensitivity, it produces this breakdown of the gut lining. No matter who you are, it depends on your ability to repair that gut lining. It’s just the basic fact that the gluten protein degrades the gut lining.
I have a love-hate affair with gluten. I go through phases where I’m gluten-free, and I’m not touching gluten, and then I give up. I go back. What’s your take on gluten? Nothing, medium. Should we never consume it?
Ah, it’s such a big question. Here’s the thing. For my clients who come in compromised, I absolutely recommend not consuming gluten, because I see what’s going on behind the scenes, in labs, it’s clear, right? There is evidence of an inflammatory immune response going on in the gut. Zonulin is going to make that leaky gut worse, right? So, what would I give gluten to a child? Absolutely not. I personally wouldn’t, based on what I know clinically.
You just read my mind. That was my next question, how can you take a kid off gluten, where everybody’s eating gluten, and honestly, when you’re in a hurry, it’s like the easiest thing.
It’s the easiest thing because the commercial industry has made it so. But there are emerging industries that have, you know, gluten-free products that are a bridge to it,
But a lot of them are kind of like crappy flowers that like corn flour and stuff that I don’t want to put in my body. A lot of the gluten-free stuff is not that healthy.
Yeah. And again, there are also different forms, you know, let’s say you go with a real hype, you know, a real ancestral grain of gluten that’s never been touched by hybridizing. You know, maybe that will be okay for someone who doesn’t have reactivity or sensitivity, but it doesn’t mean they won’t react to that gluten protein in the future. It is a problematic protein, and it has been so manipulated worldwide that we really don’t 100% know what we are getting, and that’s the baseline truth of it. This may make some people angry and defensive, but it’s just like Zonulin, which is produced when the gluten protein is consumed. Zonulin is like an enzyme that breaks down the gut lining.
Healing a leaky gut isn’t about one supplement. It’s detective work to find what’s inflaming your body.
Zonulin sounds like something out of Star Wars, like a dark lord. Zonulin comes in and destroys the gut.
It does, and the blood-brain barrier too. So it’s never just the gut.
Really, the blood-brain barrier?
Yeah, when your gut barrier is impaired, it sends off the same inflammatory cascade that degrades the blood-brain barrier. So again, it’s never just the gut. It activates this inflammatory process in the gut lining, which then sends quorum-sensing signals, like cell phones, like Houston. We have a problem in the gut, and the brain is going to be like, well, then so do I, because we were created out of the same tissues and have the same kind of quorum-sensing, walkie-talkie communication between each other, right? And certain meta-inflammatory immune pathways are activated, which also break down the blood-brain barrier.
So, what do you eat in a day?
What do I eat? Well, I eat like so for breakfast: I might have a bison veggie saute. That’s just one example, right? So that’ll be bison, grass-fed beef, lamb, turkey, or ground chicken. But I’ll have protein, an animal protein, veggie, healthy fat, combined with some amazing things like Baja gold seesaw to get me some extra minerals in there. And so I’ve got my proteins and my fats, a little bit of carbs, not always carbs. I don’t do grains or legumes because my gut was tremendously impacted by Lyme disease when I had it. So that’s another reason why I know so much about the gut, because I had literally lost my ability to process and digest food, really extreme, and I was told to blend my food for the rest of my life. And I was like, “I don’t think so. There’s something else going on.”And so I was diagnosed with gastroparesis at the age of 32, but no one knew at that time I had Lyme disease, right? Again, the deeper dig did not happen in my care at that time.
And so then for lunch, oftentimes I’ll make myself a smoothie, and not a fruit smoothie, heavy fruit smoothie, but this is going to have protein in it, basically, oftentimes, like a good bone broth protein. And I love paleo meals. It’s the one I recommend to many of my clients. That may be a different protein powder, depending on the person. But for me, I’ll have some sort of low histamine.
Now I do something else. I’m using a combination of different collagens, low-histamine, fiber-like flaxseed, some coconut milk, non-oxalate Leafy greens, low-oxalate leafy greens, and a little bit of healthy fat. So I’m and then some blueberries, right? So that’s my oftentimes, because I’m busy with clients and I’m smoothies, easy to get down.
So oxalate is in spinach and kale, for example.
Yes, kale is lower than spinach, but my smoothies are not going to have, like, red raspberries, blackberries, Swiss chard, spinach, or beets in them, because those are higher in oxalate, which are also inflammatory for me, so I keep them out. And then for dinner, I’m probably going to have something that looks a lot like my breakfast. So I try to get 30 grams of protein. So I get that nice bolus of protein, and each of my meals, at least my anchor meals, which are breakfast and dinner, and then I have a very fortified smoothie for lunch, high-end protein, fat and fiber, with a little bit of low glycemic fruit in it.
Do you consume eggs?
For a while, I did not, because I was sensitive, but now I consume them intermittently. Yeah, yeah, I consume them intermittently. It depends. Everybody’s different. Eggs can be problematic because people consume them in large quantities. And so I was off them, literally, for a few years, and now I can reintroduce them slowly, but I had developed a sensitivity to the egg white, and eventually the yolk. And so I gave myself time away.
When the gut is inflamed, the brain is inflamed. They never exist separately. Share on XAnd then I do food sensitivity testing at least once a year, just to see where I’m at. And so my immune system calms down. And now I introduce them, and now I introduce them in because they’re such a beautiful they’re a beautiful protein source, and if someone’s not sensitive, but what I find in testing is that because people consume them, they are our they’re like, they’re just one of those crutches we have for breakfast. They’re so easy, right? But then, in that people consume a lot of eggs, a lot of people become sensitive to them.
So how can I take my child, who’s six, and take him out of pita bread, oats and pancakes, and French toast, into eating more of your style, like I don’t think I can take him completely out of it, and I don’t think it’s kind of fair for him. He’s a child. Isn’t that damaging to a child?
Well, you know, it depends on the child. So let’s look at that, right? I’m not saying everyone globally has to, you know, 100% stop eating gluten. I’m saying there can be problems, and it’s over in its continuous consumption. And when you start a child young eating gluten, they’ve got a lot of years ahead of them of eating gluten, right? depending on the child. What I see now is so much, so much sensitivity to it as a child. So, if your child has a gluten sensitivity, is it fair to give the child gluten?It’s just a different angle from looking at it. And yeah, it is a shift. It’s a change, depending on where you live, especially when so much of society may consume gluten.
And you know, what you can do is take steps like making sure to say, if there’s not an option where you live, try to go organic, gluten-free, so you’re at least not getting those components of glyphosate and all the pesticides on it. Go organic gluten, if you can, right? And really be particular about what kind of gluten you’re giving a child, and if you can get some sensitivity testing done on the child, are they sensitive to gluten, and get, you know, a deeper look for the child, so that you can have some discretion and but again, if you’re like, “Well, do try to go organic,”
Because if it’s not organic. It’s going to be highly hybridized. It’s going to be loaded with glyphosate, which is going to tear up the gut in itself, right along with inulin from the gluten. And it’s going to be loaded with pesticides.
Yeah, I’m gonna change my diet. Honestly, when they lived in the States, like, white organic flour was very easy to find everywhere. You go to Costco, you get the big organic flour at the end, you work with it, and you have the Einkorn, the ancient grain. Now that I’m in Israel, I find, like, I shop, I buy organic produce, I get, like, grass-fed beef and all that. But it’s not as easy, and in my culture, like, wow, there are like a million holidays. Every holiday has a bunch of pastries. And, yeah, it’s quite challenging, but it’s really inspiring me right now to start with baby steps on YouTube. You know, you don’t have to shift everything, but you have to be conscious about what you’re doing, and I’ll go for what’s easy.
Yeah. And the practices are different over there, so is the Israel-specific one. I know, over in Europe, the practices are different. It’s not as hybridized as gluten.
It’s hybridized. It’s the same. Even in Italy, it’s hybridized. Now, a lot of them are so sad.
So it’s just a reality of the world. It is a protein that is highly inflammatory in the gut. I’m not going to mince words. It’s going to produce Zonulin. I don’t care who you are; it’s just the way we’re made. It’s something we produce. Our gut is saying, “ouch, no, thank you.”
Make yourself a priority. Have the courage to take that step and say something's not right—I need help. Share on XI should put, like, a sign saying ‘Zonulin’ on my refrigerator to remind myself, like, Zonulin. Oh, okay, we’re gonna change it. We’re gonna make sweet potatoes and eggs for breakfast.
It’s like a pair of scissors if your gut lining is like this, right? So these are all your microvilli on the lining of your small intestine, right? Microvilli. This is where you absorb nutrients. Okay with Zonulin. What happens is, this should be like a brick wall, so particles don’t make it through to your bloodstream and your systemic circulation, right where your immune system lies to protect you.
But then here comes Zonulin, and it goes, yeah. I’m like, Oh, okay. So now, when you have, say, some food, and it’s not breaking down in your tummy adequately, that broken-down food fragment makes its way across here, right? And then microbes, fungi, and bacteria enter your systemic circulation. Now, all of a sudden, you have an inflammatory immune response, and you’re going to have a hyper-reactive kid. You’re going to have a kid who becomes disobedient. Why? Because their brain is getting inflamed, because their guts get inflamed, and it’s going to inflame their brain.
Okay, so that’s just one angle of looking at it, or it’s going to inflame anybody’s brain. They might feel a little foggy or a little tired. But here’s the tricky part about gluten, too. It activates like opiate receptors in the brain along with dairy. It’s just the gliadorphins, and the casomorphins, and then, just like it lights it up, so it cleans.
No dairy as well?
Gluten and dairy can activate opiate receptors in the brain, which is why people crave them so strongly.
Dairy, no, no, very can be problematic. I mean, it depends on the type. It depends on the person. But your average conventional carton of milk in the grocery store, it’s going to be loaded with hormones and antibiotics, it’s going to be high in estrogens, and it’s going to be probably reactive for the brain. Why? Because it’s going to be activating those casein morphines, right? These opiate receptors in the brain say, “Oh my gosh, that feels so good.” We’re just talking
I think the more you consume dairy, the more you want to. It is a form of addiction, like you said, if it activates those morphine morphine receptors, receptors?
Opiate receptors.
Opiate receptors in the brain, then we just want to consume more and more and more, and so no dairy, no gluten. What do you think people should be checked for? And who, what type of service provider should anyone go to check themselves and how often?
Yeah, first of all, going back to, you know, dairy in some forms and in some ways it can be. There are some cases where, you know, young children need it, but again, looking at where people have access to raw, farm-fresh dairy.
I used to have access to that. There was a place in Davie, and they were selling raw milk and colostrum.
And, yeah, we’re talking type here, right? Again at the grocery store. Let’s look at baby steps. Your conventional carton right here is loaded with antibiotics, hormones, all the stuff they’re injecting the cows with to make them produce more, and it can also be reactive for certain people, depending on their sensitivity. Now, there are other options you can get to go organic, so you’re not getting hormones or antibiotics, right? Now, whether someone has a sensitivity to that or not, that’s an individual thing.
I see it a lot in practice, because, again, I’m working with adults who had been consuming it for a long period of time, and they finally realized, “Oh, my God, it makes me bloated” because it’s inflaming their gut. Then they’re like, and I get so foggy, it inflames my brain. Just had an 82-year-old client yesterday, and he’s like, “I cannot even eat the two organic, you know, mozzarella cheese or milk” because it might be just for him; he has that inflammatory immune response to it. Everybody’s different, and starts with baby steps, but take into consideration that these can also be highly reactive and highly addictive, especially for kids and adults. I know adults who are very much addicted to milk.
Still, I love pizza.
You can take the most fancy supplements and eat the most awesome diet, but if you are not truly restoring at night, the other stuff is not going to hold up. Share on XYeah. And there are different choices, you know, you can make cheese again, go organic, yeah? You know, it has some really great nutritional properties. Not everyone’s sensitive to dairy. In the midst of a varied diet, if that’s all someone’s eating, like every day is a major staple of their diet, that’s problematic, but to sprinkle it in, and if it’s, like, organic or, you know, just really made in a high quality, in a respectful way, in a non highly manufactured way. I mean, there’s a highly manufactured way of cheese and dairy products, it’s toxic because of what gets put into it, right? That’s a lot more conversation. Okay, I went off on a soapbox. You were asking me another question.
I was asking you about testing. How often should we go? Who should we go see? How often, what should we look for?
I think the best thing to do is start with a functionally trained practitioner. That’s a good start. And then, you know, look for a good, functionally trained practitioner who’s seasoned and who has, you know, a lot of you know, good case studies behind them, interview them, and open your world up to looking under the hood kind of a different way than what you may do at the conventional doctor’s office, right? Where they really only have in the United States, they got about 15 minutes, and it’s going to be quick and it’s very general, unless there is a very specific kind of problem, right?
But what happens here in the United States is, once you go to the doctor, you are assigned a disease code, and then that disease code is what applies to your pharmaceuticals and your procedures, period, right? So when you go to a functionally trained doctor, functional medicine, who’s trained in functional medicine, then you’re going to have someone who’s going to look under the hood differently, and look more at a root cause approach, as to, all right, why are you having brain fog? Why are you having headaches? Why are you achy? Why are you bloated? Right? And then they can start doing that detective work, or they look deeper, and it got to always going to be a part of someone’s work, and looking, it’s a preliminary, it’s not the only cause, but it’s such a cornerstone of what can be generating a lot, as an example, that can be generating a lot of these symptoms,
If someone who’s listening wants to start getting better today, what is the first step they should take?
First of all, you know, I’m going to say sleep. Because without sleep, everything else falls by the wayside. So giving yourself a few hours off your blue light devices, your cell phone, your iPad, your computer, letting your brain really settle into so it can start producing melatonin for you and try to get at least seven hours of sleep in a room that is totally and completely dark, that does not have a Wi Fi router in it or anywhere near it, and with your cell phone on airplane if it happens to be in the same room, so that you can get your restorative sleep.
In conventional medicine you’re often given a disease code, but functional medicine asks the deeper question: why?
That’s a whole other topic, but these devices that are right next to people’s heads are in the next room: their Wi-Fi router. It’s just keeping it from allowing people to drop into truly restorative sleep, because it’s going to aggravate. It’s kind of like knocking on the door of your brain all night. Because,
What do you do? Like smart homes and smart switches. Wi Fi in the walls
I think it’s biological for a human being. I think it’s a bad idea. I think it’s a bad move, and I will be very honest about that. Part of my journey was extreme electrosensitivity, extreme to the point I could not sit in front of a TV screen or let alone a computer screen, or be exposed to artificial light or be anywhere near Wi Fi, right?
I, recovering from that, learned a tremendous amount about electromagnetic fields and about the body’s susceptibility to high and chronic exposure. Our. Our distance from and rest from those devices is imperative for the body’s rhythm and for our ability to fight off disease and stress. So many people are stressed because they’re not sleeping adequately. I see this in labs and on the stuff I run tests on. It’s profound. It’s a big issue that’s a whole other conversation, but it’s big because it surrounds everyone. And some people say, “Well, you know what? It’s everywhere. So what’s the point?” No, no, it is everywhere, but distance is what makes the difference.
Yeah, we have a couple of devices: the Quantum Bloc harmonizes EMFs, and the Somavedic helps with Wi-Fi exposure as well. Because, yeah, I mean, it’s everywhere, and there are big antennas everywhere. And if you live in a crowded neighborhood, you’ll definitely feel it.
Yeah, and you can’t control what your neighbors do, but you can control in your own home, like I don’t have Wi Fi in my home, I work on an Ethernet, wired connection, even my mini Starlink, if I’m out in the wilderness, the Wi Fi router is turned off, and you can do that on a Starlink Mini. I’m able to work from an Ethernet cord from my mini Starlink, right? I don’t sit on Wi Fi. It’s extremely toxic, and that will create stress and inflammation like nobody’s business.
Oh, wow. So much to learn, so much to do.
And break down collagen. It breaks down the hydroxyproline and the collagen. Yeah, it’s real. There’s a lot of, there’s a sequence of a lot of things that’s not all, but I mean, that grabs people’s attention. They’re like, “What’s my collagen?” But never mind about the cell membranes and the antioxidant potential of the body, right? So it’s, it’s, it’s a tricky subject.
So it ages you?
I’m going to say that, based on research, it affects your appearance and affects you. I mean, the signals that it’s turning on and the inflammatory process it triggers are premature aging. It is the pathway of premature aging.
Wow, it’s a huge topic.
It’s a whole other topic,
Yeah, but still, like, thank you for sharing all that beautiful information. Thank you so much. That was fascinating. It was wonderful. Thank you for being here before we say goodbye for now. I know you have a gift for our audience, but before that, what are your three top tips for living a stellar life?
First of all, sleep. Get your sleep; that is the modulator of all things. You can take the most fancy supplements, eat the most awesome diet, but if you are not restoring all body systems, which are still a mystery to science, if you’re not truly restoring at night, the other stuff is not going to hold up. I think, fill yourself and surround yourself with all that nourishes you, that be the consumption of nourishing food that truly nourishes you and supports you, the surrounding of people that truly nourish you and fill you and the activities of life and this world that truly nourish you and fill you. That’s number two, that’s nourishment, of a global sense of nourishment.
If something in your body feels off, make yourself the priority and get to the root cause.
Then number three, make yourself a priority to get to the root cause, like acknowledge if something’s feeling suboptimal for you, amidst the global nourishment you’re doing for yourself, right, and amidst getting good sleep, if something is off, get help. It can really help you. Make yourself that priority: have the courage to take that step and say something’s not right, something is off. I need help to make myself a priority. To help yourself. close the gap despite the global nourishment and the sleep that you’re getting. Make yourself a priority to close the gap between where you are and where you want to be.
Beautiful.
Sarah, where can people find you? And I also know you have a gift for the audience. Yes, absolutely, they can find me. At getnourished.net. And then I do, and then also my socials on Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram. And then I do have a gift. It’s called The 15 Sneaky Triggers Keeping You Stuck Revealed. So talking about filling that gap, right? Like what’s in the gap? These are 15 things that a lot of people have probably, maybe even never known, that are actually driving you to continue to feel fat, bloated, achy and tired, and kind of the first step to fill that gap.
Beautiful Sarah, thank you so much for your wisdom, your time, and everything you shared here today.
Thank you. It’s been such a delight talking with you, and an honor to be here on your show. Thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it.
Thank you, Sarah and thank you. Remember to sleep, surround yourself with good people, good nourishment, good food, and great activities. Make yourself a priority, get the help you need, and have a stellar life. This is Orion till next time.
Thank you. Been a pleasure.
