It Makes No Sense—Until You See Your Chart with Astrology with Debra Silverman

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Hi Debra, and welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here. 

You’re so welcome.

Before we begin, could you share one beautiful childhood memory with us?

I was a dancer all through my childhood. I have vivid memories of preparing, practicing, rehearsing, and then performing, and then they’re just one after another. I started at five, went to university, and studied dance. It was just a very joyful practice when you’re in a group setting, where you get to really share with a group of people and practice till your head falls off. It’s probably one of my favorite memories of my life: that dancing series that started from 5 till probably 25.

Do you still dance?

Not so much. I lived in Hawaii and studied hula, but I have not been dancing professionally. I’m almost 70 years old. That era of my childhood is a little bit distant, and certainly, dancing is not part of my life now.

Do you incorporate elements or emotions from the dancing into your practice? Maybe the dedication you had there or the passion?

As an astrologer, it’s been fascinating to guide people.

Discipline, for sure. I’m not a practicing astrologer. I’ve trained 25 certified astrologers, where I see the memory of that skill set is the discipline. It was a very long, serious commitment, and it’s continued. That level of being prepared and doing research and coming to something, like all the stuff you learn in dance, which is really about being consistent and on time and all those things. That got imprinted so young, and I am always in a very high, organized, know-it-all mode; it takes a lot. When you could go into a dance performance, you couldn’t imagine how much is required to get to the level of professionalism. I’ve carried that with me ever since. 

How did you even contact that astrology? Why did it speak to your heart so much?

I was 10 years old. It’s a very strange story because I’ve been doing it for over 50 years. I’m almost 70, and I started very, very young. I think it was a destiny line. Knowing now what I know about astrology, certain people, not many, come in with a very strong calling. That was me from a very young age. There was no doubt. I also got a master’s in clinical psychology. Everything was directed for me. That’s what’s been so curious, being an astrologer, is that most people don’t have that. As an astrologer, it’s been fascinating to guide people. Like, “This is what your chart says.” But I didn’t have to ask those questions because I was so clear, I was an astrologer by the time I was 19.

But what happened at age 10? You said something happened when you were 10.

I found a shroud. That was the first time I ever saw the word. I saw it in the Detroit news. I was turning through the comics section. I saw the word. I didn’t know what it meant, but it became a fixation. At that very early age, it was clear, “Wow, this is what I want to do when I grow up.”

For people who doubt astrology or think it’s fake, what would you tell them?

To read my book, I Don’t Believe in Astrology. You have every reason in the world to think it’s fake. It’s ridiculous. It makes no sense at all. I really respect the skeptics and the people who step away from it. My favorite thing is to redirect, inform, and educate them through the eyes of the skeptic. “It makes no sense that the planets influence our personality.” However, after 50 years, I can confidently say to you, it works every single time. You don’t need to believe in it; it believes in you, that’s the point. It gives you your destiny; it doesn’t care whether you believe in it. Same thing with gravity. Gravity doesn’t care if you believe in it, nor does love. You can’t see love, you don’t even know what it is, but it certainly follows us around.

In your book, if somebody is listening right now, what kind of example can you give them about the truth of astrology and how it works?

The kings and queens, and all the ancient ones who were leaders and in positions of power, always had an astrologer. Concrete results, it’s so evident to the astrologers of what’s going on now on this planet that it’s so wrapped around the timing and what occurs at the cosmic level. But I can’t provide proof of that. 

It’s not like I can tell you that in every single session I’ve ever done, I was an astrologer for many years. I’m no longer doing readings, but I do matchmaking. People write me letters and tell me their chart, and I set them up with the perfect astrologer that’s in my community. But I can only say to the skeptics: the best thing you could do to get evidence is to read and then form an opinion. Because if you don’t have a reading, how do you know?

Based on other people’s stories and things that unfolded in their lives, they will be convinced of astrology. I was looking at the moon tonight, it was so beautiful and big and round, and so what does the moon have to do with our cycles and with astrology, and how does that affect us?

The best thing you could do to get evidence is to read and then form an opinion. Because if you don’t have a reading, how do you know?

It affects the water on the earth, and we’re mostly water. The Old Farmer’s Almanac is a book that tells you when the tides come in and go out, specifically around the full and new moons. If we’re all water and the planet itself responds to the moon’s influence, it makes more sense why astrology works. The moon simply describes emotional temperament. It’s at night, it’s the inner world, it’s the dark, and it lives inside us, depending on where our moon is; you can tell someone’s emotional temperature. It’s so unbelievably accurate. 

The concrete examples are if people had their charts. I could say, if you were in a family and you knew your kids, for example, and I described each of them, the people would be like, “How does she do that?” But it is true that the emotional temperature, the temperament, is described by the position of the moon. For individuals and the collective, when a full moon is out as it is today, the energies in hospitals, accidents, and mental illness, and the activity around reactivity, are always increased. You can ask the police or the hospital. They always get more activity during a full moon.

How does today’s world chart affect our reality? Because our world is so moody.  Maybe I’m being nostalgic, but it seems like things were a little different when I was younger. Now they’re excelling. Everything’s faster, more intense, more polarity.

100% true. The outer planets are Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn. We can see Saturn with the telescope, but the other three you can’t see with the human eye. All four of them are changing signs in 2025, but mostly in 2026. This occurrence describes the outer planets, describing the outer world as far as the zeitgeist. It’s not personal. The outer planets are more like when Pluto went into Scorpio in the 1980s; the nuclear bomb scare became part of our conversation. 

Pluto rules nuclear power, and Scorpio rules fear. That was also when AIDS came out. Pluto entered Scorpio. Now, Pluto just entered Aquarius last year, and Pluto being scary, Aquarius is AI. We’re all scared of AI. It’ll last for the next 10 years. There’s a really clear alignment between the outer planets. Right now, to your point, everything is changing in the sky. It’s never happened before in the history of the planet. You’re right, there is a radical adjustment on the outer plane.

Is it a good adjustment?

We don’t do good and bad. You can’t say it’s uncomfortable. It’s a better question. I don’t know if it’s good or bad. It’s like saying, “Well, I’m so sorry. I’ve got a frog in the mind.” The way the mind works is that it’s constantly labeling. It’s like in the Bible where they said, “Don’t eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil because it’s gonna be the ruin of you.” Well, that’s what you just did.  All we do is judge. That’s what we do all day long. 

It’s the nature of the animal of the beast that we make something good and something bad. Is it comfortable? That’s a different conversation. No, it’s not comfortable. Is it nicer and more relaxed when business as usual is the order of the day? This is not business as usual. If you don’t like change, some people do, and some don’t. That’s astrological. You can look at a chart, and if you don’t like change, this is not the time to be born. My goodness, AI is going to change everything.

Have you looked at the chart of the world for the next decade?

I think it doesn’t take much to notice. It’s great that astrology provides a language, and it delineates time. For sure, I know that in February of 2026, Saturn enters Aries, which is a sign of war. For the next two years, we’re going to be in an era of war where we have to redefine war because we can’t tolerate it, or can we? We can look at the sky and describe influences. We can’t predict exactly during COVID.

All the astrologers were like, “What is going to happen? Because it was such an unbelievable sky.” We couldn’t have predicted what it would be. Similarly, we can predict that 2026 and 2027 will be volatile years. There’s no question. But will that mean that we get radical about wanting to change things? Or will that mean we sub come, become victims, and complain, making it all bad and negative? That’s a real decision for every human. How am I going to narrate the story?

The moon describes emotional temperament.

What tools can you offer people to narrate the story and navigate this new world?

I think the simple truth is the mind has got to be tamed. It’s just like when you said, “It’s good, is it bad?” We automatically fall into a very low-level thought process. Something’s wrong; it’s not safe. “I don’t feel loved; I don’t feel like I belong here.” This is gravity taking effect on your mind. If there’s a practice to do, it’s to start paying attention to your words, your conversation.

What you’re emanating, what’s coming off you, how much you prepare for things, how much work you do, how disciplined you are, that’s gonna determine the future. The outer world will be absolutely radically different from what it is now. However, your choice of how you respond is: “I’m built for the job; I knew I came here for this.” This is a question for everyone listening. “Do you know that you came here to be at the weirdest time on earth?” Because if you can’t remember it, you’re gonna be victims.

How do you prepare for that yourself? Looking at those charts.

I have learned to calm my nervous system. I don’t get upset. I really can cry easily. I let myself get angry, and then I come right back home. It’s really, “How do I get back to center as quickly as possible?” That’s a muscle. It’s like going to the gym and wondering why it hurts so much when you first start working out, and you feel like you’re not, and then, as you get stronger and stronger, you’re like, “Okay, give me the weights, give me the heavy duty.” 

In this moment in time, being respectful, being responsible, being on time, being committed, being disciplined, being in love with life, that’s gonna determine how you’re gonna cope when everything goes wrong. If you’re going, “Such, my God, it’s so terrible.” If that’s your voice, you can be sure it’s gonna be terrible. There’s something to be said for the mind that sets the precedent for the nature of this reality.

Your mind is the single ingredient. In my first book, The Missing Element, I tell the story of a man who spent 27 years in prison. He’s a good friend of mine, and I got him out of prison here in the States. What he told me was, “How did you do?” Cause he never had a negative thing to say. He never acted out. He was never mean. He was incredible. When I asked him how, he said, “Prison is between your ears. I didn’t think I was in prison. I knew I had the opportunity to hold my mind.” I was like, “Where did you learn that?” But he was an old soul who knew how to manage his inner life. That’s everyone’s job.

How did you manage getting him out of jail?

I raised a bunch of money because we were corresponding. We were pen pals for 13 years. Every Monday morning, I sent him a card, these stupid new-age cards with rainbows and unicorns. It was so dumb, but I was always sending him love. I went to the prison many times as we grew closer. Big, giant black guy from California in San Quentin prison. I told a couple of my very influential clients. One was Sting’s story of my friendship with him. He said, “Let me give you some money.” I gathered some money together. I went to the best lawyer in California. He opened the case and was like, “Are you kidding me?” He should never have gotten a life sentence. The whole thing was absurd. 

I just stayed the course and went through the process. I was there the day that he got out. I had a filmmaker with me. I did a documentary. When he first came out, the first thing he did was touch the earth. He said, “Haven’t touched earth, I mean, haven’t touched grass in a long, long time.” It became one of my greatest gifts in this life.

Now we’re still very close friends, but this is the man who taught me that it’s all between your ears. Like what you tell the story. Of course, he could tell a horrible story. I’m looking at you, you’re in Israel. Of course, you could tell a horrible story that I’ve just read the book, Hostage by Eli, about a man who was captured on October 7th. Horrible story. I don’t know if you’ve heard of that book, but it was amazingly well written. It was about him between his ears. What did he do to change the narration? He kept thinking about his daughter and his wife. With that focus of the mind, we can tolerate anything. 

But if we don’t have information and we’re victims of the circumstance and we see nothing but more of the same, especially in Israel, I see Israel as an acupuncture hot spot on planet Earth for fear. If you had the whole planet laid out, you’d look over at that spot and go, “Woo, so hot.” That’s one of the spots that generates the energetics of our culture. I am Jewish, and I have Hebrew on my arm, which comes with the culture that says, “You’re going to deal with a very high aptitude for your emotional body, or you’re going to find peace.” But it starts on the inside, and it’s not easy to find peace in the middle of a storm.

No, it’s not easy and it’s also it also feels like if you’re if you haven’t been here if you haven’t experienced wars and bombs and rockets and all that you can’t really understand what it feels like people can speculate but it’s like when in real time gosh, you can eat, I have all those tools and I studied with the best.

The outer world will affect you: you should cry and be scared, and you should get angry. Then you come back into your center, close your eyes, meditate, and go home, where we belong in the paper. But it’s not sustainable. You can’t sustain a neutral stance when there’s a bomb going off, and that’s what that book is; you just have to say, “It was absolutely brilliantly written.”

That’s amazing. It reminds me of the book Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl where he had, where he was in concentration camps, and he had a compelling future, and he had the inner game, and he saw a compelling future, and he could just look at people and know who’s gonna survive and who’s gonna last because of their mindset. 

One of my favorite books. When you have a bomb going off, and you’re dealing with your family’s pain, it’s not a lot different than someone who’s listening to this right now, living in America, who’s in some puffy little pink little unicorn world, but internally they have gremlins nibbling at them all day. That’s my second book. I Don’t Believe in Astrology. It’s all about the gremlins. There is something, we don’t know who he is, a guy, we don’t know why he talks all the time.

But he talks sh*t about you all day, and he makes this world miserable. That’s a decision on your part to say to the gremlin, “Shut up, stop nibbling on me.” But until you find the position of wherever it is that my friend Kenny lives in his head, where he could stop the effect of the prison, that is a very high road. It is not easy. Eldership—getting older is a real asset. Cause as you get older, it becomes more obvious that this is a dream, and it can be a bad dream or a beautiful dream on the inside.

Do you feel like in your books, your first one and your second ones, you combined your psychology with astrology, and your psychology background had a huge influence on the way you teach astrology?

100%. That’s everything I do every day. Carl Jung was the first psychiatrist in the world because it was the 30s, and he started the field of psychology with Freud. He said, “Psychology will be a dinosaur science until it includes astrology.” He was an astrologer. Everything he did was astrology. But he couldn’t tell because it was so negative. 

How do you combine both? What are some elements of that?

There are four personality types, and Jung was very versed in this. One is water. They’re quiet people who don’t talk much and are internal. They’re highly sensitive. They’re poets, they’re writers, they’re mothers, they’re animal owners. They don’t want to leave the house. They don’t want to talk. Then there are air people. These are people who talk all the time. They can’t stop talking. They have random thoughts that fall, and they forget where they’re going, and they’re airheads, and they’re scattered, and they don’t follow through, and they start things where they don’t finish things. They also have a great gift with words and charm, and people and community. 

There are Earth people who are super grounded, they’re money-oriented, they’re practical, they get things done, they measure things by, they’re very researched and prepared. They never go anywhere without their spreadsheet, checking things off, and being on time and responsible. Then there’s fire. These are the people who are super excited, enthusiastic, bold, and free. They say things, and they drink too much, and they eat too much, and they’re loud, and they’re funny, and they are so adventurous. That’s very different from when the water person is like, “I don’t wanna go out.” There are four categories. 

That’s the first book. There’s no astrology in the first book, The Missing Element. If you order it from my website, I will put your chart in the book. If you don’t believe in astrology, if you wanna see. That’s called The Missing Element. Then the second book is laced with psychological themes, but it doesn’t describe the four personas as distinctly as a wide range of explanations would. It’s more about ‘what’s your life lesson? What did you come here to learn, and what’s your purpose?’ That’s a big topic for all astrologers, or mine, esoteric, I should say, “Are all the people who work for me doing what you are doing here? What’s your purpose?”

Would you think of yourself more as an earth element?

No, I’m 100% fire. My personality, I work out every day. I’m very honest. I’m very blunt. I’m very enthusiastic. I get excited over nothing. Like the sun’s coming up right now where I am. It never, ever gets old for me.

When people have their chart done, and you said that this is an inner game and it’s the game between your ears, ‘how do you listen to what people tell you about your personality type or your chart or where you need to go and not let that determine your destiny or how you see yourself?’

Those are two different questions. When you’re doing a reading, you’re all about the outer world. The whole reading is about what you want, who you are, where you’re going, what your job is, when it’s changing, the babies, the husband, and finding a partner. That’s all the outer world. That has nothing to do with between here. That’s the external world. When I’m dealing with their psychology and assisting them to come to peace, that’s the inner world. That’s a completely different conversation.  You can’t live this life without getting captured by the dream. 

Its built-in operating system says, “What am I going to eat? Who’s going to kiss me? Who am I going to play with today? How are the kids doing?” You can’t turn that thing off if you wanted to. That’s called the ego, and that rules the roost. However, when you move towards the soul, begin spiritual studies, and start asking the big questions, you take yourself inside. That’s two different topics inside of a reading. When I’m giving a reading to someone, I’m helping them on the outer plane. I mean, “What are we doing here? Why do they call it Earth? It should be called water. The planet’s blue.” But we call it earth because this world is so much about practicality, money, success, and integrity. 

The more you do it the right way, according to your integrity, not anyone else’s, the more success you’ll have.

That’s what this is, you’re being tested right now, everyone that’s listening, to see the way that you respond to the laws of this earth. The more you do it the right way, according to your integrity, not anyone else’s, the more success you’ll have. But that has nothing to do with peace. You can be so successful that the outside world reflects beauty, money, husbands, wives, and kids. That has nothing to do with peace. If you are in Israel, know this. Peace is an inside job, and it has nothing to do with the outer world.

What do you do to get peace?

I am a practitioner. I spend a lot of time in my life. I am in love with peace. I feel like it’s why I came to earth. I’m a Libra rising, and Libra is the sign of peace. My soul, the rising sign is that my soul is at peace. ‘What do I do?’ I do a lot of quiet. Nature is my best friend. I have the best friends that I talk to, one I talk to every single day for 40 years. This is peaceful to me. I have people in my world who have been with me for 40 years, and a friend here now whom I’ve known for 45 years. I’ve never ever stopped being close to them. For me, peace is my inner world of quiet, my spiritual practices, the people I’m committed to, my kids, and my partner. Deep devotion brings me so much peace. My relationship with God, what I call God, you can call it whatever you like, but I have a very rich relationship with whoever it is that brought the sun up today.

Beautiful. You mentioned purpose. How can we help people find purpose through astrology?

It’s one word, it’s Saturn. When you find Saturn, this is in the book, I Don’t Believe in Astrology; just drill down and work on Saturn. Find out what, where it is in water? Were you here to learn about your emotions? Is it an air? Was it here to help you learn about people and friendships? Is it Earth? Did you come here to learn about money and success? Or is it fire? Did you come here to stay in joy? Are you doing it or not? Some people with Saturn in water can’t cry. Their life lesson is to be emotional, and they’ve lost it. They’re not doing it. Some people come with errors and life lessons, and they don’t like writing, talking, or socializing. They’ve thrown it away. Where you’ve lost the plot, and you can look at Saturn and go, “That was my promise? My goodness.”

Some people with Saturn in water can’t cry. Their life lesson is to be emotional, and they’ve lost it.

You looked at my chart. Where do you see my purpose in that chart? You told me you did my chart. I’m like, “What? That’s amazing.”

I knew this was coming. This is the challenge. Everyone who gets a podcast always wants me to answer. You want to guess what your life lesson is? What water, or fire? Do you want to guess?

I would say Earth, maybe.

You have no earth in your chart, so that makes sense. Earth is not your strong suit: being grounded, being practical, being organized. You try, you’re making efforts, but it’s not your strong suit, being prepared. That’s just you’re spontaneous. Yours is on fire. Your life lesson’s fire. Your life lesson’s fire. The Saturn’s in Leo. You came into this life to be bold, take risks, be a little sloppy, a little wild, a little crazy, and show off. Call all the attention to yourself, which can make people self-conscious and force them to be the one to grab attention. But that was your promise.

It’s like I can relate to that because there were times when I always drew attention, and I kind of trained myself not to. But even when I try not to draw attention, somehow I do. What is the life lesson in that? Like, “Do I need to minimize my fire, increase it and play in it, or find the balance in it?”

Good luck minimizing. It’s not natural to try to adjust your nature. This is what you learn in astrology. You’re here to be bold, and you’ll feel self-conscious because it will have side effects, just like the person with Saturn and water. I wish I could give it to you guys. If you go in my book, you’re going to open up and find out what your Saturn is in, and then you’re going to read the chapter on it, and you’re going to get, “Saturn, we both, you and I both have Saturn and fire.” No, you can’t tone it down. 

That’s just altering your psyche because you’re thinking you’re self-conscious. That’s exactly what you shouldn’t do, and there is a way to say to someone, “I’m sorry, can I share with you? It’s not all about me.” It’s really important to be honorable and say, “Listen, I’m spontaneous, I don’t do all that earth stuff, I’m not practical when it comes to the details, but I’m really enthusiastic.” The more and more you know about yourself, the less and less you have to tone it down. But that’s a practice. That’s why we study astrology. We have a school starting. It’s so interesting we’re doing this. This will come out around Christmas time, since the school opens in January. It’s only six weeks long, and there are only 10 people in the room. 

Up comes your chair, and you study your chart. It’s not abstract. It’s not a theory. It’s answering the very thing you just asked, “How will I find out my life lesson?” That is one of my superpowers in school. It’s very short, six weeks. It’s about two to three hours once a week. You’re in a room, a Zoom room, and you learn about yourself, and then you get caught because it’s addictive. I feel like people, it’s like potato chips, you can’t just have one. You gotta have another one.

But I also feel like the chart kind of minimizes my potential. For example, you’re like, “You’re fire, you have zero earth. You’re not organized. You’re not detail-oriented.” For someone who’s getting that, there will be, they can always almost adapt to what you just told them, and it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy, where when I look at myself, I’m like, “That’s actually not true. I’ve been organized in many ways. Yes, sometimes I’m scattered, but I have learned to look at the little details and be prepared and all that good stuff.”

The more you know about yourself, the less you have to tone it down.

You get exactly what I just said. You learned, your awareness came on, you can be disorganized, and so you started taking care of it. It’s not a self-fulfilling prophecy. Once you start studying, it says you’re innocent, open, and willing to learn. If someone’s coming for a reading, we’re not giving them permission to get stuck in their rut. We’re giving them quite the opposite. 

That was my that was my question from before where I was like is this gonna be like, “Okay, this is my chart and this is who I am and and I have to like walk the path of the chart or is this just a tool for me to expand and learn more about my my my stronger parts and and help balance for the future for my purpose.” 

The second category. We’re not encouraging people to get stuck. That is not my function in this life, to give them permission to be stuck. That is not my goal.

Can you please share with me, maybe a case study or two, of people whose charts you did and how it influenced their lives or put them on the right track?

When I was teaching at the very beginning, a woman who now works for the company came in looking very shy. She was a tourist. She was very self-conscious. After I looked at her chart, I just saw, Oh my God, she had so much fire.” She was a little overweight and a little frustrated with her life. I looked at the chart, and I was like, “Wait a minute. This is not true. You’re missing your whole essence.” We activated her fire; she lost weight and started exercising. Her husband wrote me and said, “My God, she’s back. Because she had put away from a kid, she was super physical and athletic, but she got sad, and her earthbound energy took over.” That simple adjustment or information changed her life. She became an astrologer, and now she’s completely activated. She’s no longer that; she’s a completely different person. But that was her real self hiding in the other room. I’ve done thousands and thousands of readings. Don’t know that I can. 

Why did you stop doing readings? 

I have 50 employees, so I run a company. Now I have 25 certified astrologers with whom I share. I don’t need to take on many other jobs, and I have really good, certified astrologers. I run a matchmaking game where people send me their birth dates. I know everybody’s chart, and then I match them up. I’ll do readings once in a while for someone who begs.

Love it. What are some things that have changed around astrology or your perception of astrology since you started?

It’s actually gone the wrong direction. There are a lot of superficial astrologers that are in our world, like young, who haven’t been through my school. They’ve learned the super, we teach a very thorough, it’s easy, but it’s very rich and deep. If you do a superficial version of astrology, it’s fun. It didn’t used to happen, but if you scroll through Instagram and TikTok, you’ll find 20 million astrologers, and they’re all celebrating funny things. It’s not bad. It was just never done before. It can be a little cheap because you think, “I’m fire.” So that, like, “No, you got to go deep-dive into a really perf, this is the oldest science on earth.” The oldest science on earth is astrology.

Do you like Kabbalistic astrology? What type of astrology do you do? 

There’s one, the Western astrology that everybody knows. There are three different kinds. There’s Vedic astrology, which is from India, and then there’s astrology that I use, sidereal, and then there are a million other ones. But there’s one basic one that most people in the world use, and it’s kind of like asking, “What toothpaste do you use?” “It’s all toothpaste, so it doesn’t really matter.”

So there is no one way.

I’m an astrologer. Promote individuality. I encourage everyone to do it their way.

When you used to help people with their charts, did you bring some of your intuition or connection into the reading, or was it just based on the chart?

No, of course. It took me years to admit how intuitive I am, because astrology is a hard science, and you really do get timing and data. It’s crazy how accurate. The intuition is a simple muscle that comes from meditation and yoga, as well as practices like sound healing and really going in, and I have cultivated that. The combination is definitely in every single one. All I teach is the mirage of the intersection of psychology, astrology, and your intuition.

You can’t make your fire go away.

Beautiful. What are your three top tips for living a stellar life?

First of all, be yourself. Everyone else is taken. The more you’re authentic, just like the example you gave, you can’t make your fire go away. That’s gonna be unnatural, frustrating, and never work. The first rule is you’ve gotta be yourself and turn up the volume. That’s why you gotta learn who you are, like, “What is it that you’re supposed to be doing?” It’s instinctive, but you don’t have a language for it. Three tips. 

The second one, so the first one is to be yourself and figure it out. Go study, go find out what your personality is all about. The second one is to do whatever it takes to keep your heart open. Like you’ve got to make this part of this, not the head. You can study astrology; it’s wonderful. Your love for life, for God, for spirit, the commitment you have for love, that’s easy to say. But you can ask yourself, ‘What’s my relationship with love? Like how am I doing?’

The third one is to pray. I really believe that my magic in this life, which is a plentiful life in Hawaii, came out of a prayer. It came out of a dream, and I never gave up. From a very young age, I was thinking about the other day, I remember being a teenager with my best friend, who I’m still friends with, and saying to her, “One day when I grow up, I’m gonna live in Hawaii, and I’m gonna live in Colorado.” That’s exactly what I did. But there was a little girl dreaming, and then I prayed.

I agree with that. I do sessions with people, and I pray before each session that they will have a transformation. I was just in the British Virgin Islands. I was on a private island with a group of entrepreneurs, highly successful entrepreneurs. I gave them a hypnosis session. It was very nice. It was in the beach house. About 30 people attended, and before I started, I really prayed that everyone would get a breakthrough, that everyone would get a transformation. When I was practicing, I was practicing barefoot on the grass. I was really beautiful. 

I was in a beach house, in a really perfect scenario, and I think prayer and that intention really helped them, because I think almost everyone got a breakthrough through the connection to God, the prayer, and the willingness to be a channel for someone to elevate. You can pray for yourself or for others, but there is a higher power that makes our hearts beat, and it’s so special. If we connect to it, we can have all the success, all the love, and everything we want. I really love that you brought that up.

Be yourself and figure it out. Go study, go find out what your personality is all about.

You mentioned turning on the volume and that you are very outspoken, very in your authentic self. What’s your advice for turning on the volume in a world that is a little different now with social media and everything? Yet everybody can be really fast on the keyboard and judge you or criticize you. How do you turn the volume up? How do you stand in your power?

You just take your attention off the outer world. Who cares? When you get to 70, that’s not even a question. Like, “I don’t care. I’m going to be myself.” This is the best part about being alive right now. It used to be scary for women. There was no such thing as a female astrologer. There was no such thing as a female Rabbi. It was out of the question that we would not be allowed into the inner chambers. Now we can. It’s safe. It’s not what it used to be. There’s no excuse.

I love it. How do you keep your heart open?

I’m like a cheap date. I fall in love all day. It’s a problem. My chart indicates Libra rising. I just see beauty, and then I’m in love. I’m like, “My heart’s constantly opening. That’s where I live.”

For somebody who’s got their heart broken or maybe closed off right now, what would you tell them?

Work with someone like you, you go get some hypnosis, you go get some therapy, you go get an astrologer, do whatever it takes. Do not live a life that makes you miserable.

You go work with someone like you, you go get some hypnosis, you go get some therapy, you go get an astrologer, do whatever it takes. Do not live a life that makes you miserable. That is not what you came here to do. I have a Hebrew prayer on my arm. The Holy One is joyful. Et Adonai v’Simcha. Et Adonai, non. Ifdo et Adonai v’Simcha. The Holy One is joyful. We’re joyful creatures, even though the outside world is horrible. I admit it.

I hope to see you again.

I’m talking to you in Israel; it’s horrible what’s going on on this planet. But that’s not true of the inner.

It doesn’t matter where you are in the world. You can be in a cage of gold where you have everything and film is a role inside, or you can be in a very stressful area but still have lots of connection and joy and love. It’s about, like you said, “It’s about the war or the play or the dance between your ears that you have to tune into and every day recalibrate how you’re showing up.” How can people find you, work with you, and learn about your school and your books?

Three words, Debra Silverman Astrology, it’s so crazy. I’m on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram. We have a free immersion. It’s a five-day event, every day for an hour and a half, where I interview someone really well-known or someone with a really rich story, and I do their chart online, and everyone’s listening. It’s a way to do meditation and prayer. It runs from January 19 to January 23, and it’s a way to find out about the school for free. It’s called The Immersion. And when you write to info, you can ask them, and then if you want to actually talk to someone directly, we have interestcall.com, and that is another way to get someone to it’s like, “What is that school? What are you doing? How do I get to the immersion?” If you have any questions about the free five-day immersion or the school itself, feel free to contact us.

Alright, perfect. Well, Deborah, thank you so much for being here, sharing your light, and living out loud. And thank you, listeners. Remember to be yourself and turn on the volume. Do whatever it takes to keep your heart open. Do your prayer. Connect to your higher self, the higher force, your God, whatever you believe in and have a stellar life. This is Orion. Till next time.